Friday, August 30, 2019 8:26 am
At a time when some Nigerians are nabbed in foreign lands for one crime or the other, especially financial scams, critics are worried that this may cause a disincentive to potential investments. While this may be true to some extent, however the late economist, Professor Sam Aluko, disagreed. Aluko was one of Nigeria’s best known economists, until he died in 2012.
In his words: “No, corruption is not a main stumbling block to investment, there is hardly a country in the world where there is no corruption. One of the most corrupt countries is America, Americans steal a lot, but they retain the money in America and it is used to develop America. Americans and Europeans steal the money in Nigeria but leave it in America and Europe; there is nothing for Nigeria. So this is the problem. The tendency for Obasanjo and his officials to junket abroad contributes to capital flight. It is the same thing throughout Africa. If you look at the economies in Africa, every currency is down. That is why Africa is poorer today than in 1960 or 1980.”
Below is an interview with the him earlier published in The NEWS edition of February 23, 2004, entitled,
“OBJ will ruin the economy”.
“About four years ago, you criticised government’s devaluation of the naira in relation to the state of economy generally. Between then and now, how has the economy reacted to the government tinkering?
The situation is worse now because, once a non-industrial nation begins to tinker with its currency, send it on a free-fall, as it is called, the economy must go into a spin. Before this administration came into office, the naira was about N100 to a dollar, the black market rate was N120. Today, the official rate is about N135 to the dollar, while the black market rate is about N145. We are courting disaster. One, government revenue is not increasing in comparison to the value of the naira. The real purchasing power of government revenue is falling, so government will not be able to finance its commitment to the extent it should. Workers will also be badly affected because the value of their earnings would have been eroded by the terrible devaluation of naira.
Look at the fuel price. The price now in naira terms is not as high as what we were paying in 1980. In 1980, the value of the naira was 60 kobo to the dollar and it was easy for the industries to meet their commitments. Now, government, in the name of privatisation, is saying it cannot be involved in industrialisation. But see all the industries. They are all dying because the cost of sourcing funds is so high and value of naira so low that operating in such an environment would end in failure.
When government was shouting about the cocoa boom, that farmers would make money, and the private sector would boom, we told them they were getting it all wrong, but they would not hear. Now, where is the cocoa boom? Government has competent advisers, for example, that woman Dr. (Ngozi Okonjo) Iweala. But may be because of their career with the IMF and the World Bank, they’re not advising government well. You develop your country well from home before you can start talking about globalisation.
But the world over, the tilt is towards privatisation and lesser participation of government in industrial economy.
Government itself has its own responsibilities. So to say that government is not supposed to take part in the economy is bunkum. They are already ascribing failure to government. The economy in Asia is developed essentially by government and then by private companies. You cannot rely on foreign companies for the growth of your economy.
In practice, foreign investment cannot add more than 10 per cent to the economy, the 90 per cent will be done by local industry. So, President Obasanjo has been running around the world saying he wants to attract foreign investment. We are now democratised, we are no longer a pariah state. Even if we are a pariah state, we will develop. Look at Biafra, when they were in a tight corner, they were refining petroleum. But here we are, we can’t even repair our refineries because we are looking for everything foreign. In the first four years, after return to civil rule, you cannot repair even only one of them. Something must be wrong.
Government must be pro-active. But Obasanjo’s philosophy is that government must withdraw from participating in the economy. So, he has been withdrawing. An economy of withdrawal, of defeat, is an economy of disaster. This is why we have a disaster economy now. We should be thinking of having many refineries. Even in Sokoto, there should be a refinery. Smaller countries have 10, 15 refineries. All the money they are realising now, what are they doing with it? That is why they steal it, government is leaving undone what it should do. Government officials are corrupt. If government has so much responsibilities and it is struggling to meet those responsibilities judiciously, it will be less corrupt. Because government has money that is not using well, the money must be stolen by somebody or they find a way of using it to rove around the world.
You’ve been criticising foreign investments. But if foreign investments can be well-exploited by controlling capital flight, would they not grow the economy?
But if there’s no industrial development in the country, no foreigner will want to invest there. They are not so much interested in the risk here because, they can easily make better gains, more secure gains, in their countries where the industrial climates are more conducive for investment. Here, there’s no steady power supply, no water and life is not safe. When foreigners hear they were kidnapping and killing people in the Niger Delta, do you think they would want to come here and invest? So, we can’t attract foreign investment in the present situation. Nigerians themselves repatriate their funds abroad. If Nigerians don’t feel their money is safe here, how can a foreigner feel? So the truth is they know Nigeria more that we do.
But don’t you think that the level of corruption too deters foreign investment?
No, corruption is not a main stumbling block to investment, there is hardly a country in the world where there is no corruption. One of the most corrupt countries is America, Americans steal a lot, but they retain the money in America and it is used to develop America. Americans and Europeans steal the money in Nigeria but leave it in America and Europe; there is nothing for Nigeria. So this is the problem. The tendency for Obasanjo and his officials to junket abroad contributes to capital flight. It is the same thing throughout Africa. If you look at the economies in Africa, every currency is down. That is why Africa is poorer today than in 1960 or 1980.
So, what is the solution?
Government has been pursuing a negative action. Government must encourage the local industries by producing cheap funds for them to grow. Government must provide all the necessary infrastructure. Government must provide technical education and provide jobs.”
So, what is the solution (to our economic adversity?
Government has been pursuing a negative action. Government must encourage local industries with cheap funds for them to grow. Government must also provide all the necessary infrastructure, and provide technical education and jobs. It is better not to send somebody to school than to send him, and you don’t give them a job. You cannot train people and leave them jobless. They become dangerous, and this is why you have sophisticated armed robbery in the cities now.
It is not difficult to develop an economy when you get the value of your currency right. Even in agriculture, when seeds are planted, you hear there’s no money to harvest them, there’s no money because the value of the currency is gone! The value of whatever they’re even harvesting now is more than 10 times less than what they were getting 10 years ago with a much stronger naira.
But the President has many advisers who should be telling him all these…
He is giving money to a large number of people who are doing nothing.
Nigeria is a member of many international organisations like NEPAD, WTO, etc. How has our membership of these organisations advanced economic progress?
Charity should begin at home. The British say ‘take care of the pennies and the pound will take care of itself.’ We have not even taken care of our kobo, let alone the naira taking care of itself.
Development is homegrown; we have to develop a positive mental attitude to it. When I was at the London School of Economics, as a student, I was always telling them the same thing, some of them would criticise me, but at the end, I made distinction. They asked me to stay back and work, but I said no, I was going back to my country. They knew I was right and they were wrong.
You’ve been advocating more government participation in the economy rather than privatisation. But look at government’s parastatals like NEPA. The more money it gulps, the lesser its efficiency, and the officials are allegedly corrupt.
What is the value of the money being pumped into NEPA? What is the value of the entire budget of the government today? The value of money being pumped into NEPA is nothing compared to what they received in 1980 with a much stronger naira! By the time NEPA buys a new transformer, the money is finished! So because they cannot afford new transformers, they buy used ones which pack up in no time. That is what they do. I was in London three years ago, with the General Manager of Western Electric, who told me he was ‘sorry for Nigeria!’ He projected that in the next half a century, we won’t have stable power supply, because, according to him, our officials and contractors buy ‘used transformers’, even when they were advised that the “used ones would soon pack up.”
Obasanjo keeps saying when he was leaving as head of state in 1979, he left about 15 aircraft for Nigeria Airways; but now, there is none. But the money that would be used to buy 15 aircraft then would probably not be enough to buy one now. Even the cost of maintaining one now is a problem. There is no way the value of the naira now (N127-N130=$1 against N0. 60=$1 previously) can propel the economy.
But most governments in advanced economies are not directly involved in energy supply and aviation.
No, governments are. In fact, it was when Enron was privatised in the US that it collapsed. Ministers and directors are milking the treasury because government is shirking its responsibilities. During the Abacha administration, ministers would want to do everything on expenses undertaken by parastatals under their ministries. Abacha would ask them ‘what happened to the budget of your ministries?’ Whatever one can say about Abacha, it is a fact that he had a stronghold on the economy, especially on the value of the naira and budgetary spending by ministers.
But there was corruption then?
It is worse now, the problem in any economy is not corruption per se but management. This corruption we talk about, it is the private sector that corrupts the public sector. So, what is all this emphasis on the private sector, as the catalyst to turn around the economy?
What role have banks been playing as an engine of growth in developing the country?
The banks have become an engine of distress; they have been destroying the economy. The banks have been ensuring that the naira value gets worse, so they can milk the nation, they’re rent seekers. They control savings interest, at only about four per cent, but hike lending rates to about 30 per cent. Their salaries are not in tune with the situation in country. The Central Bank is not playing its supervisory role; when I was in government, the Central Bank financed and monitored industries and controlled the market. This is not happening today. The CBN is government owned, why must the Governor appointed by the President be independent? Why?
Is the CBN independent?
It is independent. It is the CBN that controls the government. Elsewhere, the Central Bank intervenes in harmonising rates, as it is done in America, in England, in Germany. Here, the CBN allows the banks to control rates.
It has been discovered that Abacha himself siphoned billions of naira out of the country; so, why do you extol his management (of the economy)?
When Abacha was in power, the oil price was about $10-12/barrel, the highest was $15. Now, Obasanjo is getting over $30, $32. Where did Abacha get the dollars to steal?
Has it not been proved that he stole?
I am not saying Abacha didn’t steal but Abacha managed the economy far better than Obasanjo is doing. Obasanjo will ruin the economy. We never had budget deficits the way we are doing now. We never had supplementary budgets.”