Monday, February 17, 2020 6:03 am
File: Combating Coronavirus in China. Credit, New York Times
By Jethro Ibileke
The deadly Coronavirus, like the Spanish Influenza, is currently spreading like a wildfire around the world and is taking tolls on the lives of people on its path. This deadly disease might sound strange and new to many, including even health care providers and experts, but, actually, Jehovah’s Witnesses, a religious group, had sounded a warning of its emergence 15 years ago, in one of its magazines, Awake!
Writing on the subject “The Next Global Epidemic, WHEN?” December 22, 2005, edition of Awake! did not only raise the alarm that a pandemic virus might emerge in China or a nearby country, but it also warned that it might emanate from an animal and could surface from antigens or virulence factors derived from animal influenza viruses.
–Read how Psychic Sylvia Browne, in her book, End of Days? also ‘predicts’ Coronavirus here
Photos of the front and inner pages of the Awake! magazine has since gone viral.
The Awake! edition
The magazine quoted the medical journal, Vaccine, of 2003, which warned: “It has been 35 years since the last influenza pandemic, and the longest interval between pandemics recorded with certainty in 39 years. The pandemic virus may emerge in China or a nearby country and could surface from antigens or virulence factors derived from animal influenza viruses.
“It will spread rapidly throughout the world. Several waves of infection will occur. Morbidity will be extensive in all age groups, and there will be widespread disruption of social and economic activity in all countries. Excess mortality will be evident in most, if not all age groups. It is unlikely that health care systems in even the most economically developed countries will be able to adequately cope with the demand for health care services.”
The relevant page of Awake! On the subject
Related stories: Read how a writer, Dean Koontz, also accurately predicted Coronavirus 40 years ago here
Read how, like Coronavirus, 1918 influenza originated from China, here
True to this prediction, the influenza pandemic began in China, from where it has spread to other parts of the world. And according to the warning, even with its huge economic base, China has not been able to cope adequately with the sensor health care services.
For instance, it was reliability gathered that price of common nose mask made in Nigeria has tripped in recent times, from N500 per pack to N1500, due to the hot demand for it from China.
Just how serious is an Influenza pandemic? The issue of Awake! warned of the seriousness of an outbreak of an Influenza-like Corona Virus, when it quoted John M. Barry, author of the book, The Great Influenza, who said: “A terrorist with a nuclear weapon is every national politician’s nightmare. A new influenza pandemic should be.”
Perhaps the whole world would not have been in this precarious situation it finds itself now, if governments, medical experts, health care providers and bodies like the World Health Organization, WHO had taken seriously the warning sounded by the Awake! magazine and took proactive steps to nip it in the board.
Awake!, a quarterly magazine published by the Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses, is the second most widely circulated magazine in the world, after its sister publication, The Watchtower, with a total circulation of 93,354,000 copies in 222 languages of each edition. It is renowned for its in-depth and accuracy in research on whichever subject it decides to delve into.
The Jehovah’s Witnesses might not be as popular and loved by many, as they have received a lot of backlash from individuals and other religious organizations due to their doctrines, but certainly, they deserve respect for their zeal in their worldwide preaching and Bible educational work.
Numbering over 8,683,117 in over 240 lands, these Jehovah’s Witnesses have always warned of the of pestilences and deadly plagues, as prophesized by Jesus Christ, using Luke 21:11 and Revelation 6:8 as references.
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Orest Lee – and to whom it may consern:)
You are actually spot on, in the sence that Jehovah’s witnesses tells «simply common sense.»
And it is also what you say, that «This has nothing to do with your magazines ‘having the gift of prophecy’» Case is Jehovah’s witnesses don’t claim to be prophets – they simply point to the Bible as Jehova God’s prophetic word.
To use your own words – it’s «simply common sense.»
What I myself find very intetesting is how extraordinary well Jehovah’s witnesses have handled the Corona episode, as a «slight» comtrast to, well what not? ( If you’re not updsted on this, check up their language – in now than more than a thousand languages. Actually 1068.)
And to those who want to argue that Jehovah’s witnesses have a wrong opinion on bible topics. Be my guest – use your own bible and show them that humans have a soul ( also, that we are not a soul), and that this soul is immortal. Take that as a starter – among a lot of biblical topics.
( A warning, though. You might here want to skip verses like Genesis 2:7 and Ezekiel 18:4. ( here quoted from King James version)
«And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.»
Ergo: is a soul, not have a soul.
«… the soul that sinneth, it shall die.»
Ergo: souls die; not immortal.
Why priests in christendom are telling about humans having a immortal soul? You better ask them yourself. Bring your own bible 🙂
Covid was a pandemic and people criticizing the organization should look at its foundings. Charles Russel was a Freemason and cousin of the founder of the notorious Skull and Bones, 322. It’s place in everything, I do not know, but their “prophecies” correlate with banking phenomenons of the 19th and 20th centuries, most notably the creation of the Federal Reserve and WW1, the first major banking war they code with Biblical numerology. It’s organizational structure is almost identical to the Masonic Lodges. It’s no surprise to be skeptical of their information they put out. Growing up in this religion, it was almost uncanny how their publications released to the “brothers” for distribution (members receive the literature in advanced) seemed to predict events in news cycles two months later. To me this means there is some sort of communication network. Not unlike the horizontal and vertical control of society these fraternities have upon business and politics.
Maybe I missed something but the Awake magazine is quoting the “Vaccine” magazine. They (JW) didnt predict anything, the scientists they are quoting did. That being said the scientist or the JW didnt give us an exact time like 2020. They are just saying basically history repeats itself and will eventually do it again.
More shocking news – there will be an earthquake sometime, there will be a war sometime, there will be a famine sometime – and my broken clock is always perfectly accurate twice a day. Does saying those things make me a prophet you should send cheques to?
You have no idea how unfair this process is…..”I come to realize that most people(ex- communicators)
of Jehovah’s Witnesses,have a problem with Jehovah’s Witnesses and teachings from the Bible only when they have a problem of some sort that they are not happy with the way a judicial matter was made concerning a certain situation. Before, they were fellow believers, and afterwards they wants to say everything bad they can possibly think of. Some have said they were Jehovah’s Witnesses for many years, as much of 15 yrs or more'”…. I was just as judgemental as you are but when I left because he was beating on me I became the bad wife and then decide to end my marriage… You know as much as I do there is only one way out of a JW marriage that is adultery…so I found a man who had the body part that I needed and now I am free..DF and divorced…. now he is still in the Org crying and looking for a pity party saying my ex-wife cheated on me that why we divorced..I never cheated I moved out and told him that it was the only we can break up….. really he never tells them that he broke my fingers or he beat when I was pregnant or he threw me out the house almost naked..I could keep going but you can’t deal with the truth….. just remember you will never know the truth of what really happened because you will never sit in all you do is accept what ever they tell you like a puppet….I can keep going but your own harden heart will never care..
I think this is the time to remember how Noah experience same response from people, most will only believe when its already happening and when its late already, for Jehovah’s love to us He gave us our chances we are now on the days where our goal is to find more people who are willing to be on Jehovah’s side And prove Satan is wrong.
However, they have never spoken of covert sexual abuse. In Australia alone there were over a thousand cases in 5 decades
!!! SCARED NOW !!! YOU SHOULD HAVE OPENED THE DOOR AND LISTENED..MMMM MAYBE THERE’S STILL A LITTLE TIME FOR YOU TO TURN TO JEHOVAH BUT YOU CANT FIND US NOW ,,WE WILL STILL FIND YOU ,THEN PAY ATTENTION.
This site is poorly organized with inability to reply and follow responses under individuals and topics. The doomsday cult (the cultic mentality is on display here by JWs) is once again being opportunistic with world events (150 year failed history of same thing) to create fear of Armageddon and hope of Paradise to keep members, get lapsed ones to come back, to recruit new ones. It worked in 1925, 1975, etc. causing loss and harm to those deceived. It will be the same thing again with JWs losing ground again and some clinging to just waiting on Jehovah, but denying without hope and without the real Jesus.
Thankfully, true Christians are out serving and loving the world, not just their own. They are continuing to grow and have impact with fruit that remains. The insular world of Orwellian JWs is a false kingdom based on sand. Their GB leaders are clueless and will be highly accountable before God. Follow the Bible and God, not men (applies to JWs and Catholics, etc.).
http://www.jwfacts.org The truth about The Truth (but will not point you to the gospel which is beyond grasp as long as people uncritically trust a false organization despite evidence).
The organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses NO LONGER teach Bible truth by use of strong words and seemingly attacking expressions. That method was used in early 20s. We no longer debate on newspaper or TV. The organization of JW now focus on searching for individuals who are rightly disposed for everlasting life and assist such ones to decide to worship the only true God, Jehovah.–Psalm 83:18.
All Witnesses want to be careful not to go ahead of the GB assigned to take the lead.
Please, kindly desist from publishing such information that only lead to unnecessary and ignorant debates that produce fight. 2Tim. 2:23
Ya. Who could ever have thought that a pandemic would emerge from China due to their lack of hygiene and their disgusting dietary habits? That’s like predicting that a terrorist attack will happen again in the West by a Muslim extremist. Or that a devastating earthquake will hit California or Japan one day in the future. This has nothing to do with your magazines ‘having the gift of prophecy’. It’s simply common sense.
You print the obvious pagan lies and concoctions. Trust menwhen I tell you, you know nothing about the Bible, you don’t preach the Bible and you don’t quote any scriptures supporting a thing you say. You are just looking for followers who will put cash in your pocket and who you will lead into Gehenna.
I think the apostate comments from these spiritually demonic mislead people will in time see what will happen to themselves in their blasphemy against Jehovah and his people when they find out how incorrect the are.
Have not been keeping up here, but the bottom line is that the Awake article is NOT a WT accurate prediction, but a projection from an obscure, secular medical journal that has been made by many other sources, including religious ones. It is dishonest and opportunistic for JWs to try to give credibility to Governing Body over this (who are now following advice of Rom. 13 secular authorities about COVID…despite having a wrong interpretation of this passage for years after flip flopping from truth to error to truth in the name of new light; they sadly ignore the same authorities who are right about their pedophilia and blood transfusion fiascos).
Kay, Locate the Presiding Overseer at your local Kingdom Hall. Or you can look up where there is a local congregation on JW.org. They will be able to give you proper direction to returning and getting back to a spiritually healthy state again. I applaud your efforts for wanting to return. There is not greater time than now.
Your Sister in faith
Critical thinking by an informed person that JWs will dismiss as apostate (pejorative). Deal with the opinion vs personal attacks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7JFtRY880w
Hmmmm I wonder what Jehovah would think about all this ?
I come to realize that most people(ex- communicators)
of Jehovah’s Witnesses,have a problem with Jehovah’s Witnesses and teachings from the Bible only when they have a problem of some sort that they are not happy with the way a judicial matter was made concerning a certain situation. Before, they were fellow believers, and afterwards they wants to say everything bad they can possibly think of. Some have said they were Jehovah’s Witnesses for many years, as much of 15 yrs or more. How does it take a person that long that long to realize all of a sudden the religion is false? Jehovah’s Witnesses ARE NOT a cult.Cults are organizations that are ruled by imperfect men as their leaders who impose their will on brainwashed people. Our Leader is Jehovah’s son Christ Jesus. Make no mistake about this. Jehovah’s Witnesses are the only religious organization that is hated throughout the world. Why is that? Jesus Christ himself said “A slave is not greater than his master.If they persecute me they will also persecute you(1John 15:20). Most people are misinformed. I’m happy to be part of an organization whose teaching does changes base on new information or a better understanding of something.That’s an organization that has Knowledgeable Growth(Pr4:18)
That’s the problem with some religions, their teachings remain the same,”that Jesus is God, rather than the son of God”(John 14:28)there is nothing new other than their criticism of Jehovah’s Witnesses.Also they teach that you can pray to the Virgin Mary, as well as the apostles,but Jesus at Matt.6:9-13 told his listeners that
“You should pray, then,this way “Our Father in the heavens, let (your)name be sanctified.Let(your)Kingdom come.Let (your) will take place,as in heaven,also on earth…Last but certainly not least, the Trinity, can anyone explain it to me? (I’ll be waiting) The three are not the same.Let me just finally say this “I’m glad, no, I’m ecstatic and happy to be part of an organization that strives to live as close to the truth of God’s word the Bible and tries to be an example for the nation, not going to war ,when if you did go to war,as Christians,and most considered themselves as such,you can and most certainly will be warring against persons of your faith, which is what others do in the name of religion), and backed by the Clergy.Imagine that! But no not Jehovah’s Witnesses, we will not bare arms(Isa.2:4)or shed innocent blood (Ex.20:13).So you might hate the message,but try not to hate the messengers. Is it that hard?
Kay just go to your local Kingdom Hall…it’s not that bad. Trust me
Actually, not a single information in our publications is debunked, unlike the debunked lies that the pagan pastors keep arrogantly defending despite the fact that most educated people now know that bogus jokes like hellfire, trinity, immortality of the soul, etc, etc, etc are all pure fabrication.
I have been reading your contribution here, but only imagining your facial expression while talking about JW. It must be full of hate. However you try to demonized them, they are incompatible to any known religion in the world and about shunning of disfellowshiped ones, research your Bible. Yes we are mind contrloled so you are too. But the only difference is that we are controlled by the Bible and not demond who have taken hold of you. But ask yourself is there anything positive I can say about JW? If none then ……
end time is better like hell and never ending pain. 🙂
Hi Vinny. I know you’re not an elder or anything anymore, but can I still ask for some advice? I don’t really know anyone else. I was raised JW, but I don’t know where I stand now, 20 years later. I’m terrified of the prospect of there not being a god, and I don’t want to just give up on Jehovah.
You mentioned you still love god, and still technically consider yourself JW. How do you study if you don’t trust the WT? Do you still use the JW edition bible? Can you share whats brought you comfort when faced with the idea there isn’t a god? Should I just read the bible, and take my own notes instead of bothering with anything from the watchtower?
I’ve tried going back to meetings, I’ve been researching the answer, I tried to pray but I feel like nothing will come of it. Its giving me enough anxiety that I have to go back to therapy. I just want to do right by him, but I have trouble trusting and finding faith in something I can’t see or find solid proof for and everyone tells me that I just need to have it even if I’m struggling with it and I can’t keep up with it. I want to have that faith and trust and not need proof, but it’s just not how my mind works, I need something to latch onto other than words in a book that could have been misconstrued for all I know. I havent missed a single memorial but I’ve stopped attending all the normal meetings now. Also, I’ve never really felt well on the idea of people willingly dying over things like no blood transfusions, and I never really thought about the Sabbath in relation to it, so reading your take- I can’t help but agree.
JW quoted words from the medical journal, Vaccine 2003 only helped them to attain their end-time doctrine.
Only debunked in the mind of nay sayers. We print the obvious and the facts. Not to mention exactly what Gods Word the Bible says and what Jesus foretold.
I could make an endless alphabetical list of fallacies upon fallacies from your comment. Just what do we care if Mormons falsely believe Jesus – just like you (they are your brothers).
We say you and your churches are pagan and you defend filth and indirectly worship demons. Your works – countless homosexual and rapist pastors- prove us right.
What makes them credible? Because they teach paganism?
The Jesus and God that your pastors in the churches worship is not those of the Bible but the invention of the demons.
Michal, the only obviously ignorant fellow here is William because he hasn’t just got his head in the sand but also doesn’t know he Bible and doesn’t know history – and there’s more – doesn’t know truth.
Again, ad hominem bullying, not an argument against cogent argumentation. Feel free to ignore me, but I will not be bullied into silence by the arrogant ignorant.
JWs have a different, counterfeit Christ, Michael the Archangel (2 Cor. 11:4). Mormons have a counterfeit also with their plurality of gods and that Jesus is an evolved man who became god and was the product of Father and Mary having sex. Muslims say He is a mere man. Biblical Christians say He is God-Man, one person with two natures.
Diametrically opposed, mutually exclusive views are not equally true, salvific.
JWs say everyone else is wrong. Non-JWs say they are wrong. Their defective Christology is unbiblical and another gospel leading to eternal anathema/condemnation (Gal. 1:6-9).
William Lance… SHUT UP ALREADY… your obsession is bordering on derangement… its laughable.
How come then JWs are the most enlightened, best students, most honest workers? Clearly, you nee to understand what you are speaking about.
Shunning is communal condemnation and rejection of immorality, which is welcomed in your churches and practiced by your pastors.
You are a slave and you seek to encourage others to join your enslavement.
NWT is the only true translation. The rest are merely Nazi pamphlets aimed at crookedly keeping God’s Name out of the Bible and putting in the names of criminals.
A question for you, William. By credible do you mean those Greek scholars who are in the pockets of the universities and their cash patrons? If that’s what you are saying then you should know that only JWs Greek scholars are credible and the rest are paid to say what the patrons want to hear, just like people like you.
They read the Greek language through the eyes of crooks and refuse to admit they are wrong even in thnoresence of mountains of evidence to the contrary.
You ND your church mafia bosses deny Historical Christianity (29CE – c.100CE).And you are flat out wrong about every single things you still about the Bible.
You have blinded people for millennia but Jah’s help your steangle hold over the masses are loosening because of the truth preaching we are doing…exposing all your lies used to control people and keep them ignorant. Infact, most JWs are ex-churchers.
You should know that you are wasting your time trying to defend pagan filth.
Isaiah 43:10 was adopted because of dubious reasons despite the clear and strong Scriptural backing? Your dishonesty is epic! Do you really take Rutherford to be one of those your crooked church leaders who make decisions because they want to control their members just to collect payments from the politicians for pushing their members to vote?
We claim we are true because we are large? Fallacy: straw man. Yes, we are growing is proof of God’s blessing.Other groups claiming to be growing fast is a fallacy of begging the question. Do you even remember what brought this point? Try to make relevant replies.
JWs are stagnant? Liar. We are growing in every single nation on this Earth.You need to understand, notwithstanding, that numbers is not what God counts otherwise your billions of followers in the churches would not be the blind prisoners that they are.
There is only a limited NOT INFINITE number of people who will go to heaven.The infinity belief is a comedy joke.In fact the churches are totally wrong about everything, except that they need more money always.Ghost, hellfire, trinity, war, politics and voting, etc, etc ,etc, all lies borrowed from African religion.
Trinity is a false idea that says that God has three heads, all individuals being equal. Of course, I agree with you that you people do not have clear doctrine on trinity. Every single church has its ownnlying version about this pagan doctrine. Of course, what do you expect of a lie not supported by Scripture? Lies are always complicated.
The cross is an icon and a pagan ne.ne. of course, JWs used to use cross! Don’t you read well? That’s what I have told you we are like the bright morning light , ever brighter until the day arrives. We have left behind the filths and pagan lies which you now dearly hold on to and defend. AND one more thing, there is both exegetical and historical basis to support STAUROS ( execution or torture stake) but no basis whatsoever for cross.
Separation from God? Liar. What you are doing is, you realized, just like the evolutionists, that your teaching about hellfire is unbiblical and a complete historical pagan copy nd padte and so you now say, it is a separation from God not burning. This is the fallacy of ‘shifting goal post’.This is what liars do that’s why I call you a liar because you are a liar and so I have no problem with calling you such.
…especially on Biblical issues.
This article just proved you absolutely wrong! WT and Awake have more credibility than all your mags of your world.
An attack on JWs IS an attack on Jehovah/Yehowa/Jeova/Yahweh/Cheova because we are the people of Jehovah. On the other hand, the arrogant churches are owned and managed and operated and run by the drug lords and politicians. No wonder some of your pagan leaders own fat bank accounts with fat jaws – fat because of the drug money. Truly, you are worshippers of men not God.And go learn, God does not have a face, thou he may appear in human appearance. Those who want salvation must come to the people of God and believe in Jesus, not your so-called crooked saints, priests, pastors, etc.
You are a victim whose birth is about to become a waste at armegeddon and you are also a perpetrator of mass deception.NWT is the only legitimate and reliable transportation in the world; the rest are academic criminality, most importan, for putting thier names in there and removing the NAME of the one true AUTHOR. LONG LIVE JEHOVAH!!!
Mind control? Yes, like the one practiced by the churches where they prevent people from reading the Bible for themselves or deliberately fail to teach them the truth therein.
Elders and judicial committees are defending the congregation from being flooded by wolves and pigs like you and your billions broad-gate comrades. You on the other hand, are collecting salary for MISleading people into Gehenna and paganism. We keep them free you seek to enslave them under the control of politicians, big companies, the flesh and many others. We are winning and you are losing.
Concerning failed prophecy, JWs have never once in the thousands of years of our existence, starting from Abraham and Noah, made a single prophecy. I advice you to have an accurate knowledge of the difference between prophecy and understanding of it (i.e, prophecy). For your correction, we have had some misunderstanding of prophecies which we did acknowledge and we habe als had many accurate understanding of prophecies which came true and through. Concerning your churches however, you need to only do a little search in Wikipedia and you would find an endless list of, note, not failed but lying and false prophecies by your Christndom churches. In some cases, they were not even based on understanding of Scripture but merely made out of a desire to be seen as divinely inspired. Some were likewise made based on the reliance upon demons for their future fulfillment which turned out to be huge failure.
William, I hold a spuspicion that you are using fancy Latin phrases to impress us into thinking that you know what you are speaking about.. On the contrary, the manner and context in which you use these terms seem to indicate that you have an average understanding of the things of which you speak. For example, you use the expression argumentum ad hominem ( Eng., argument at or against the person) to support the erroneous view that exposing one’s ( in this case, your) erring beliefs and apologetic propaganda is equivalent to attacking you. The problem is this is what we do as JWs- we expose lies and deceptions by you and your fellow billions broad gate comrades.Are you trying to deny this god-given responsibility?
William Huget where in the Bible is your religion?
No long unsupported answers. Prove always from the Bible.
JWs are chosen people, PROOF in Isaiah 43:9,10 as proclaimed by God himself amids all people and nations.
Jesus is a JW, PROOF at Revelation 1:5 his disciples are JWs as well as expected because their leader is, PROOF at Acts 1:8
Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Sarah,Isaac, Jacob, Joseph and Moses were JWs, PROOF at Hebrews 12:1 and Hebrews 11: 4, 7, 8, 11, 20, 22, 23
JWs are chosen and favored, therefore true worship. Look how they grow in number and succeeded in preaching God’s Kingdom. They have the most translated website, two magazines with highest publication rate in he world, top number of Bible studies in the world etc because the true God blesses them.
William Lance Huget where in the Bible is your religion?
JWs are chosen people, PROOF in Isaiah 43:9,10 as proclaimed by God himself amids all people and nations.
Jesus is a JW, PROOF at Revelation 1:5 his disciples are JWs as well as expected because their leader is, PROOF at Acts 1:8
Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Sarah,Isaac, Jacob, Joseph and Moses are JWs, PROOF at Hebrews 12:1 and Hebrews 11: 4, 7, 8, 11, 20, 22, 23
I read a a book written by a woman of God Ms. Sylvia Browne in her book titled ‘End of Days’ Predictions and prophecies written in 2008 in which one of the page she predict thus ‘In around 2020 a severe pneumonia like illness will spread throughout the glob, attacking the lungs and the bronchial tubes and resisting all known treatments. Almost more baffling than the illness itself will be the fact that it will suddenly vanish as quickly as it arrived, attack again 10 years later, and the disappear completely’. This looks more this outbreak of ‘coronavirus’.
Do we take some of these predictions and prophecies serious. This prediction to me seems that God is real and talks to some people and not to all people. This prediction is almost not coincidence but reality as we are experiencing at the moment and it is touching the globe.
It reminds me when you read the book of Joshua and there was a time God ask him to for want He (god) will do for him and he ask the Lord to hold the sun stand still until he wipe the Armaliakites. When the NASA wants to go the moon and there was a shortage of time after NSA calculation. They however, revert to the book of Joshua to get the time right. Is all these myths or reality?
Please help me out Vinny. Did you not know any of this information before becoming an elder? Or did you know and still accepted the appointment? Not judging, just wondering whether you were an ignorant elder or a hypocritical one.
So Vinny, before becoming an elder you did not know any of this information? Or did you know it and still accepted to become an elder? So, were you an ignorant elder or a hypocritical one? I am not judging, just wondering…….
Huget, if you are truly believing that JW’s do NOT believe in Christ; then either YOU do not exist OR you are Satan reincarnated. . . since what you just stated has NEVER been the case for JW’s. . . Satan concocted the first lie and now you are doing the second one in your reincarnation. . . .so sad Ms.
The JWs are defending the indefensible and resorting more to personal attacks (argumentum ad hominem), not substantial replies (www.jwfacts.org).
JWs have a 150 year track record of failed prophetic speculation promoting fear of Armageddon and hope of Paradise to keep those under their control working hard for the manmade organization. The last days technically started in the first century. Jesus did not return invisibly in 1914 (based on wrong WT date of 607 vs 586 B.C. and changes due to failed prophecy by Russell and SDAs, in the 1800s). Any false group can use your verses and logic to justify their continued cognitive dissonance in the face of truth exposing the lie (see Steve Hassan’s BITE model of mind control). Other groups use the same verses so you merely beg the question (circular reasoning).
Elders, judicial committees, etc. are ruining lives directed by Governing Body (I have read the secret elder manual ‘Shepherding the Flock of God’, yet most JWs have not and thus remain under control by men vs God).
JWs cannot defend their beliefs. They have been answered over and over by credible scholars (not just former JWs). The bigger issue is the mind control that keeps people from thinking critically. You are told to look for sheep-like ones who are not familiar with WT history or the Bible. Vulnerable people get sucked into cults. Those who objectively research and are informed generally do not join JWs or leave after they have joined. WT has much to hide (pedophilia coverups, harsh shunning leading to suicides, false teachings and practices, unbiblical/unscientific blood views leading to innocent sacrifice, etc.) and this is why they forbid independent research.
You are a victim, but without excuse for following men vs God and His Word (NWT is a sectarian perversion read through the fallible eyes of WT writers).
JWs wrongly assume that valid criticism of false WT is an attack on Jehovah. They wrongly identify a manmade organization lead by arrogant, ignorant, fallible men as necessary loyalty to be right with God. They wrongly think there is no salvation outside of the org when other groups like Christadelphians believe very similar (and are also wrong). Salvation is in a person, the Lord Jesus Christ, God with a face, the invisible made visible. A counterfeit Christ and false gospel leads to anathema/eternal condemnation (Gal. 1:6-9; 2 Cor. 11:4; Jn. 14:6; Acts 4:12; I Jn. 5:11-13; Rom. 10:9-10; Jn. 1:1; 5:18; 8:58; 10:30-33; 20:28; Phil. 2:5-11; Col. 1; Heb. 1; Alpha/Omega/First/Last; Is. 9:6; 10:21; etc.
Quoting secular stuff is done by secular mags too. Awake/WT has a history of being wrong and flip flopping over the years. Other mags have more credibility, especially on biblical issues.
Everlasting conscious torment is separation of sinner from holy God. It is not medieval, sadistic torture, but flows from the love of God (JWs are wrong about soul, death, hell, annihilation, 144K, etc.).
The cross is not an icon, but a reminder of His ignominious death for us. Why assume every Christian is a Catholic?! There is no historical or exegetical basis for torture stake vs cross (WT used to have symbol of cross while claiming to be led by Jehovah). Either way, this is insignificant compared to denying the Deity and physical resurrection of Christ.
Trinity is the biblical, historical, orthodox view from the beginning. You are guilty of the condemned heresy of Arianism, a later attack on truth. WT has revisionist ideas about church history and Scripture. They also routinely make straw man arguments about trinity being 3 gods, 3 headed gods, modalism/Sabellianism, etc. (They lack credibility and scholarship).
Heaven is not limited to 144K and Jesus did not return invisibly in 1914. WT views on these things have changed many times due to their continuous false prophecies. As well, Christians do believe in a heavenly destiny and an earthly kingdom (but do not limit heaven to 144K based on taking 2 verses out of context). The WT Memorial is a sad joke (Jn. 3:3 NWT unless ANYBODY….).
Many groups claim to be the fastest growing. JWs say they are true because they grow and are large. When it is pointed out that they have a high turn over rate and low retention, they then say few are chosen?! JWs are NOT the fastest growing. Mormonism is false and twice as large as JWs. My Pentecostal adherents are much faster growing globally in a shorter period of time numbering in hundreds of millions (vs 8+ million JWs). JWs are stagnant in countries with internet access and no longer publish their annual yearbook due to negative growth patterns. They are closing branch offices and kingdom halls in large numbers. Islam is 1.8 billion and fast growing. Does that make it true?! (you are guilty of a logical fallacy).
Read my comments about Rutherford/1930s, Israel vs Church (Acts 1:8).
Is. 43 was adopted by evil Rutherford in the 1930s to keep JWs excited with something new and to separate them even more from ‘Christendom’. The passage is about ISRAEL (OT), not the Church/Body of Christ (NT). There is a profound shift from YHWH to Jesus (who is Jehovah in the flesh, so trusting Jesus is trusting God). Acts 1:8 IS about Church Age believers.
Other false groups have read their own leaders and groups back into Bible verses (bad eisegesis vs sound exegesis). Is. 43 has nothing to do with JWs or any other group claiming some connection (except OT Jews).
Catholics have extra/contrabiblical ideas and often do not know their Bibles. This is why many JWs with simplistic responses are ex-JWs (leave one authoritarian group for an even more autocratic one). Catholics have essential, salvific truth like the Deity and physical resurrection of Christ, but are wrong on more peripheral issues (sacraments, Mary, etc.). JWs are wrong on essential, salvific truths. It is possible to be a Catholic who knows, loves, trusts Jesus leading to eternal life. It is not possible to be a Christ-denying JW and have hope for eternal life.
William, your misunderstanding on the subject of blood is due to your like if understanding of how Biblical principles and Biblical re applicable over time.
William are like credible?
godru,Often when people say JWsJare misquoting it turns out that they re merely complaining about their propaganda being left out of the quote. Of course very one knows Trinity is paganism. And those who still stubbornly hold on to such beliefs are either ignorant of history or re so dihonext to admit that they have been teaching pagan doctrine all along.
True Christians are far more persecuted than JWs are. Far more Christians are martyred than JWs ever will be. All kinds of adherents in false and true religions are persecuted. WT says it is a public service to speak truth in the face of error and that it is not persecution. Criticism of the corrupt WT is not persecution.
The WT booklet on ‘Should you believe in the trinity’ was so full of dishonest pseudo-scholarship, misquotes, errors, that they pulled it. I went through it with photoreprints of the actual quotes in context to expose its lies (published source). WT anti-trin views display ignorance of church history, Scripture, Councils, etc.
The Bible must be correctly translated (vs NWT sectarian perversion), interpreted (vs WT proof texting out of context) and applied. The Bible is true, but not as interpreted through the eyes of fallible WT that lacks any credible scholarship (hence must use Christendom sources, but misquotes them).
Muslims say the same thing despite the unscientific things in the Qur’an. Older WT literature had absolutely ridiculous things that were unscientific that would embarrass you now. Their changing modern views on blood are unbiblical and unscientific. Quoting secular sources that are accurate does not mean WT or God is the source of the information.
It is anachronistic to say transfusions are biblical since they did not exist. JWs did not adopt the view until the 1930s (one man’s ignorance; what took Jehovah so long to reveal it) and it has changed many times on the details (dead JWs would now be alive under so-called new light). Christian churches are not pagan, but WT is demonic.
Yehovah, plenty of videos on line documenting that to be the correct name. Sounds a bit different, but spelling is nearly identical. The Yahweh is a distraction Jews promote to keep the name hidden. But now that is been exposed their are plenty of Jewish supported videos going crazy to keep people fooled.
“Nehemia Gordon talks with T-Bone about the staggering number of Hebrew manuscripts they have looked at to date, compared to the number of manuscripts in which they found Yehovah with full vowels. They also share some interesting anomalies regarding the name and touch briefly upon finding Yehovah with full vowels in New Testament Hebrew manuscripts, as well as how Yeshua’s name is written in these documents.” Youtube
You must be referring to your Catholic friends! 😄
Indeed brother. My apology, I answered him once. That feeling that Jehovah is being devastated…
What we should believe is what is written in the Bible. We never said Jesus is the Almighty father because Jesus never said.
Wrong, William. We don’t wronglu assume JWs are the true religion; the observables are undeniable like a shinning sun at midday. You can believe what u wish, ofc.On the other hand, you belong to the pagan churches. Everyone knows that .Including the drug dealers who are your priests!
You should have written a letter to Rutherford to adopt the name before 1930. That way it would be Huget’s Witnesses not Jehovah’s…since the instructions would now be coming from your timing. Sounds like a brilliant idea, don’t you think?
Isaiah 43:10
Yours is hatred by the demons by means of lies spread through religious propagandists like yourself. Only JW can claim being true religion due to the mark of being persecuted. Ask the Russian government and they will school you a little.
I think I ought to move to a small town too.
True Christians? Which book are you reading? Better make sure it has B I B L E on it and not B L A B E R instead. Didn’t the Bible say that only few will be saved? Where then did you get th billions who are being persecuted by Muslims? Awake! Awake!! Your birth is about to be wasted at armegeddon!
You mean one ignorant man in the chatroom?
This is a short list of heresy: 1. Hellfire by a the sadistic Creator 2. The cross, the alleged ‘knife’ used to kill God’s son, can be an icon 3. Trinity, the vomit from paganism 4. All righteous people go to heaven. Should I go on? Many have left JW? Do you even check Google ? Did you not know that recently JW was said to be the fastest religious group growing in the US? Wake up from your slumber, my friend.
Truly, I can tell you, you may know Christians somewhat but he definitely knows you not.. And you are not leading into eternal life, contrary to what you have been convinced of, but like the billions other, you’re blindly walking into Gehenna, my friend.You call Trinity truth? Wow a pagan doctrine recopied from Babylonian temple from the Egyptian temples in Africa? Since when did exposing brainwashing been ar hominem?
I support that!
Of course you didn’t finish reading it. It’s called cognitive dissonance, and you shut out anything that goes against your strongly held beliefs. It’s a known psychological self-defense mechanism. That doesn’t make your beliefs true. I am (technically still) one of Jehovah’s Witnesses as well. That doesn’t mean that I am gullible, or want others to do my thinking for me.
The biggest issue with your comment is that you totally miss the mark on who / what someone despises. The vast majority of ex-witnesses do not harbor any kind of ill will toward any Witnesses, but rather toward the organization that lies to them. It means very little to me personally whether or not you are ever able to see that you’ve been lied to by your religion, aside from not enjoying seeing people be duped.
But here’s two quick questions for you regarding blood transfusions. If first-century Christians were told to abstain from blood, what indication do you have that it meant to abstain from life-saving medical treatments, when such treatments would not be discovered for nearly 2,000 years? The argument about not injecting alcohol into your veins to abstain from alcohol is silly. So lets look at it logically, and herein lies my second question. Why would Jesus, who you hopefully see as the authority in all things “Christian,” say to the Pharisees, “Who of you, if his son or bull falls into a well, will not immediately pull him out on the Sabbath day?” (Luke 14:5) or “If you have one sheep and that sheep falls into a pit on the Sabbath, is there a man among you who will not grab hold of it and lift it out?” (Matthew 12:11). In both gospel accounts, we see Jesus referring to the Jewish principle, pikuach nefesh, which in short states “that the preservation of human life overrides virtually any other religious rule..” And breaking the Sabbath was punishable by death, even if ones’ sandles were simply too heavy, and they were considered to be working.
I once had a worldly friend plead with me that if my child were to need a transfusion to save their life, to make the choice that saves their life. That’s precisely what Jesus is stating, in both gospel accounts. Saving a life comes before following a law, especially a man-made law that had no medical context until nearly 2,000 years after it was written.
One of the last verses in the entire bible states, ““I am bearing witness to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll; 19 and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life and out of the holy city, things that are written about in this scroll.”
From the bible itself, I urge you to not make a decision that is not scriptural, and that could cost you, or someone you love, their lives. All that said, I’m an atheist, but I can see plainly that there is nothing scriptural about sacrificing your children, or your own life, to satisfy your religious beliefs.
Take care, and if you ever want to talk about the bible more, I’m always up for discussion.
Jealous 🙂
Question is short and simple, WHERE IN THE BIBLE is your religion? You cannot give because you cannot find.
So wordy without a direct answer.
Where in the Bible is yours. Nowhere?
Much words, no proof, zero credibility.
Jealous.
Lies never go without results. Watch.
Did you even read the Bible? ….. Isaiah 43:10
Hello my dear brothers,
How are you all doing today?
Reading through your various posts and comments all in defence to our beliefs warms my heart. May Jehovah continue to bless you all for your service and zeal in his work. Keep it up dear brothers “remembering that our labor is not in vain in connection with the Lord” (1st Cor. 15:58)
Regarding the comments, I have this to say.
1. We know we live in the “last days” (2nd Tim 3:1), and we are well informed of the signs and times. As a matter of fact we also know why these people say these things about us (2nd. Tim 3: 8 & 9).
2. We also know the sequence of things to come, because Jehovah and our King have forewarned us.
3. The words recorded in 2nd Cor. 4: 3, 4 & 5 proves true in their case.
4. We should also remember the words at Psalm 37:1, 2, 7 & 10.
5. Reading through the comments of one of the people opposing us I saw where the fellow stated “If the person does not show repentance to the Elders”, brothers we know we do not confess our sins to Elders instead to Jehovah, and he disciplines us as he sees fit. That tells me he is an apostate (1st. Cor 5:13).
With all this I don’t think we should respond anymore to their comments.
Instead let us focus all our energy to finding the “deserving ones” (Mt 10:11).
May Jehovah continue to bless our effort in his ministry, for very soon the words of Psalms 37:10 will come true.
Only person begging the question here is you. You ignored the real issue at hand and went on to talk about Zbllod transfusion, etc.
JWs views are the most scientific in the world as they are not based on vested interest like the so-called data-cooking scientists. Blood transfusion is clearly a Bible teaching but we don’t expect the pagan churches to accept it because their doctrines put life above God and not vice versa.
You got it so wrong. Jesus is not Jehovah. Jehovah is the English version for the name of the God of he Bible as known in Ga language as Yehowa.
That position, as the article you quoted shows, is left for personal conscience. I personally agree with the cannibalism view. However, your avoiding the issuing is an attempt to ignore the fact that JWs did accurately predict this current medical emergency. That is understandable because once you are not a JW I do not expect you would have an open mind.
You continue to respond with emptiness. What is your motivation? These Biblical references are indisputable. You lack logic.
JWs are more controlled by fear than love (generally speaking). They are insular in their organization with everyone/everything outside of it, potentially under Satan’s control. Fear of Armageddon and reward of Paradise are root motivators for fleshly good works, not transformation by the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Those “dot dot dots” in your quote leave out the actual words that the article was talking about EATING HUMAN FLESH! THAT IS CANNIBALISM. Don’t forget that you’re not the only one with that 1967 article.
That was over 50 years ago, STAY UPDATE Last October, three-year-old Chandra Sharp was admitted to a hospital in Cleveland, Ohio, U.S.A., with a heart that was not only enlarged but also failing. She was undernourished, her growth stunted, her weight only 19 pounds [9 kg], and she needed a heart transplant. She was given only a few weeks to live. Her parents agreed to the transplant but not to blood transfusion. They are Jehovah’s Witnesses.
This was no issue with the surgeon, Dr. Charles Fraser. The Flint Journal of Michigan reported on December 1, 1993: “Fraser said the Cleveland Clinic and other medical centers are becoming adept at performing many surgeries—including transplants—without the infusion into the patient of other people’s blood. ‘We have learned more about how to conserve blood, and how to prime the heart-lung machine with solutions other than blood,’ said Fraser.” He then added: “Some specialty hospitals have for decades been doing major cardiovascular operations without blood transfusions. . . . We always try to do surgery without (transfused) blood.”
On October 29, he performed the heart transplant on Chandra without blood. A month later Chandra was reported doing well.
….So, on the actual topic of Pandemics and the Coronavirus, seems pretty interesting how it spreads so rapidly in highly populated areas. Makes me pretty glad I live in such a small town 😊
Exactly right! The Awake article was simply highlighting an already published article from another source. Nothing wrong with that.
Thanks! This is an interesting article, especially now in the wake of the corona virus epidemic. The sources the Awake magazine quoted are certainly credible.
Why would I be jealous of a destructive false religion when I have a relationship with the risen Christ leading to abundant and eternal life? How is it sour grapes to know the truth about God and the Bible and false religions and being grieved at the deception keeping people from the truth that sets free? You are simply making an ad hominem attack instead of dealing with the context I am giving to help people escape mind control.
On point 100%!
William Huget…on jealousy and sour graping…
WT has said it is a PUBLIC SERVICE to expose false teaching/teachers, NOT PERSECUTION. JWs, Mormons, Scientologists, etc. claim persecution when their lies are exposed. True Christians dying at the hands of Muslims, communists, dictators, etc. are the real ones being persecuted (JWs have been persecuted, but it is not a sign they are true).
We should have righteous indignation against Governing Body who is ruining the lives of millions of people. We should love their victims who are without excuse because they follow men, not God.
I could go point by point and spend years with you and the Bible. JWs study a sectarian perversion NWT universally panned by all credible Greek scholars. They read it through the eyes of ever changing fallible WT literature. They deny biblical, historical, orthodox Christianity and are wrong on more than they are right on. There is a wealth of info to dismantle WT, but the new frontier is how to deal with the mind control that enslaves people and keeps them from objectively and critically looking at their own beliefs and practices in light of logic and Scripture. You are defending the indefensible.
All kinds of groups have read their groups and leaders back into verses that have nothing to do with them (e.g. Herbert W. Armstrong, C.T. Russell/Rutherford JW, Joseph Smith/Mormon, Mary Baker Eddy Christian Science, etc.
Rutherford did not adopt the verse in Is. 43 for his cult until the 1930s (what took Jehovah so long to think of this?!). The verse is about ISRAEL. The NT Church shows a total shift to the name of Jesus. We are to be witnesses of Him (Acts 1:8). This is not a contradiction if Jesus is Jehovah in the flesh (and He is).
You are begging the question/circular reasoning logical fallacy to think a new religion invented by C.T. Russell fulfills Is. 43. It is a nonsensical as WT quoting verses from Revelation (context is future Tribulation period) and applying it to WT conventions before WW II, etc. !?
Jesus was an orthodox Jew who founded Christianity. There is no historical precedent (except condemned Arianism in 4th century) for JW beliefs. The founder C.T. Russell would be disfellowshipped now. Rutherford has the biggest influence in shaping modern JWs. They are not biblical, historical, Christianity with JW evolving a new religion over time just like Joseph Smith did with Mormonism around the same time.
You wrongly assume JWs are the truth. This is an eternally fatal mistake. They are a pseudo-Christian cult that denies biblical, historical, orthodox Christianity. If you knew the Bible and Church history, you would run screaming from this high control group that ruins lives with pedophilia coverups, false teachings, harsh shunning leading to suicides, blood issues leading to innocent deaths, etc.
WT and Awake from early history to now is a mix of good, bad, ugly, bizarre, ridiculous. We can give Scriptures endlessly in context (unlike WT proof texting out of context). WT is full of logical fallacies, false teaching, etc. It does not matter how big the circulation is (it has a captive audience of millions of JWs who must read it and get it to give out…much of which ends up trashed and unread). WT history is 100% failure rate of prophetic speculation that has ruined lives, endless flip flops on teachings in the name of new light to justify past error, etc. They lack credible scholarship, misquote credible scholars, quote fringe, liberal, cultic, obscure sources, etc. They are simplistic, not scholarly. This can all be demonstrated from WT literature over the years (that you are forbidden now to believe, promote, look at critically).
The prohibition is on eating blood in a pagan/Jewish/OT context. You cannot refute the logic of this link that is far superior to the deadly ignorant WT arguments full of logical fallacies.
https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/blood-transfusions.php
It is an anachronism to think the Bible was referring to modern transfusions that did not exist back then. Physiologically, digestive and circulatory are distinct. You make much of abstain, but fail to consider other principles. JWs now take most of the blood by way of products except whole blood. To abstain from a pie does not mean eating only the crust or the filling, but not eating any of it. Ethyl alcohol can reverse a methyl alcohol poisoning. Too much by mouth or in the veins could kill you; a titrated amount may be beneficial. The sanctity of life trumps legalisms. Orthodox Jews who are legalistic see no biblical prohibition to saving life (injecting alcohol may kill you, but receiving blood can and does save many, so there is no analogy).
Watchtower 1967 November 15 pp.702-704
“Sustaining one’s life by means of the body or part of the body of another human… would be cannibalism, a practice abhorrent to all civilized people. … It is not our place to decide whether such operations are advisable from a scientific or medical standpoint. … Christians who have been enlightened by God’s Word do not need to make these decisions based simply on the basis of personal whim or emotion. They can consider the divine principles and use these in making personal decisions as they look to God for direction, trusting him and putting their confidence in the future that he has in store for those who love him.”
This link has some WT quotes of their previous position. You are not omniscient. You can check out the sources in your own history/literature (don’t accuse it of being made up because you disagree with the site):
https://thinkingwitnesses.org/organ-transplants-are-cannibalism/
I totally agree with you, Brother Tony. An Italian proverb says that washing the head of a donkey is a waste of time. Same principle applies here. Perhaps his mind is already branded. I’ll advise our brothers and sisters to let him be
You misunderstood everything just like any group of people under mind control. No one is talking about ‘perfection’ here or ‘judging’ of other religions. What everyone is talking about is ‘Truth’. Hinduist, Islamist, Catholicism, etc, all have different teachings but are these teachings genuine? Are the teachings the ‘Truth’? Or they have been deceived. That is why you have many sincere people in many religions today who are genuinely sincere but because they are in the wrong religion, they are sincerely deceived.
Any religion that teaches anything different from the Bible like those mentioned above including Jehovah’s Witness is already into false teaching. The devil can give you whatever you want in any religion as long as you allow yourself to be deceived from the truth of what the Bible says about God and His son Jesus Christ. And just a little tweak with the Truth is enough for the devil.
Why the Jehovah Witness and Islam are particularly dangerous is that they prohibit their members from seeking the truth on their own or asking sincere questions.
I remember giving a religious track to a Jehovah witness girl sometimes ago and I was shocked at her reaction. It was as if I was handling her live bomb or that I was about to stab her. She was so petrified I thought she’s going to faint. (Not that she had received it from my hand, but just the sight of it)
Any religion can help its adherents to be ‘healed’, be ‘righteous’ ‘change life’ etc, but will such religion lead to heaven or hell fire?
You mad bro? Why you so hostile?
They never said it was cannablism to have a organ donation. It was and is always a conscience matter.Get your facts straight before spouting off. Do your research b
I Never read that and I know of one of Jehovah’s witnesses that had a organ transplant and I’ve been reading both magazines since I was 17 and now I’m 67.
If you are not in the chosen you are in the rejected groups…simple as that…more talk with no proof from the Bible are meaningless counterclaims… always base your arguments from the Bible for credibility’s sake.
Isaiah 43: 10 READ THE BIBLE to check if you are among the chosen ones
Non-biblical (unreliable) sources are waste of time. We were taught in school before how to identify propaganda from not, to recognize deceitful information from reliable information….critical thinking is necessary to do it. If we fail analyzing we can be fooled, but the Bible has the most reliable information. Have you read Isaiah 43:9, 10?
JWs are chosen people, PROOF in Isaiah 43:9,10 as proclaimed by God himself amids all people and nations.
Jesus is a JW, PROOF at Revelation 1:5 his disciples are JWs as well as expected because their leader is, PROOF at Acts 1:8 ….so how about you where in the Bible are you?
LOGIC: If you are not chosen then you are in the opposite…denied, refused or rejected.
William, in this context Digestive system is not distinct from circulatory, they are both way of consumption, In a hospital, when a patient cannot eat through his mouth, he is fed intravenously. Now, would a person who never put blood into his mouth but who accepted blood by transfusion really be obeying the command to “keep abstaining from . . . blood”? (Acts 15:29) To use a comparison, consider a man who is told by the doctor that he must abstain from alcohol. Would he be obedient if he quit drinking alcohol but had it put directly into his veins?
The below guiding principle is very clear brother,,,
Acts 15:28, 29: “The holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you, except these necessary things, to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled [or, killed without draining their blood] and from fornication. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!” (There the eating of blood is equated with idolatry and fornication, things that we should not want to engage in.)
Has William Lance Huget quoted bible scriptures to support his claims? He is just jealous of the this particular Awake issue and its consistent accuracy, the Awake as 2nd highly circulated magazine in the world and the Watchtower as the 1st placer….such world records is greening more this monster’s eyes. He is reversing and give his all to destroy the JWs…his agenda is clear. Ummm is his organization publishing a literature as accurate as WT and Awake and has even tapped 1/8 of these magazines ‘ publishing rate? He is obviously sour graping big time.
Do you even read the responses given to you with scriptures? I come from a catholic background and even I can understand their responses as opposed to you. You continue to quote imperfect men and these “Cultists” respond with biblical scriptures. You say something and they respond logically with the bible yet you ignore what is being said it seems. Just wondering when you’re gonna address the scriptures shared to you.
You don’t have to be a JW to know Jehovah, Jah, YHWH etc is different than Jesus… There’s many people that know this now. It’s been debunked. Even Jesus said multiple times that his Father a higher spirit sent him. SMH. My family is catholic and even we know this… Yer behind on yer understanding Mr Huget. Jehovah, Jesus, Satan, etc are all spirits or energies. Jah is the ultimate spirit /Dynamic Energy. The Big Boss if you will. Jesus is another spirit. The most high ranking one after Jah. The VP whom he sent down to giver a model to follow or map to a better life. Even satanists know and recognize the right order of these spirits.
The trinity idea came from pagan origin. Many catholics know this today yet don’t care because leaving tradition isn’t the easiest thing as opposed to JW’s that are open to change when they see they made a mistake. I’ve spoken to many JW’s. They’re not trying to brainwash me. They’re simply trying to share knowledge from the research they have done. The dots they have connected so to speak. They’re good people that want to worship God the way he asks. And he asks for us not to do a lot of things like consume blood etc.
They’re not even a religion or cult. They’re just a massive group of people that study the bible yet had to be recognized legally as a religion because of the large number of students. They don’t believe in religion yet they believe in spirituality and following Jehovahs requests to the T just as Noah and other faithful servants from the past. They want to do just as God says faithfully.
Seems you just want to pose arguments versus reason with people. When Charles Russell dabbled in masonry etc he was on a quest of understanding. He didn’t know any better at the time. When he understood the origins or more details of what he was studying, he stopped. He had great zeal yet it wasn’t in the right place yet. Just like the Apostle Paul whom persecuted and killed many christians before becoming one himself. Paul had great zeal in thinking he was doing something in Gods name when clearly he wasn’t.
So again, sure Charles T. Russell may have dabbled a bit in masonry at first yet he was simply a pebble in a pond that started doing bible research in a quest to understand life and our creator.
There are lots of things you say simply to attack. Can you have a normal conversation responding to what is said? Please feel free to use your bible with scriptures that make sense towards the conversation and stop quoting other imperfect men with the same views. What is Gods view of things is most important.
😄😄😄😄😅So much anger though
Stop Persecuting Gods people Ask Saul
I Peter 3:15 We are to defend and proclaim truth in the face of heresy. Those replying might be getting harder with more light, but there are lurkers who may be more open to leaving or not joining false WT. As well, iron sharpens iron and we can help fellow believers think critically and apologetically in dealing with real JWs in their own communities, speaking truth in love/grace. It is a tool for the Holy Spirit to use. It is like putting a rock in a shoe, planting a seed, that may bear fruit in time (many people have eventually left JWs when they could not answer legit questions posed to them).
JW=Jesus is created being, Michael the Archangel. He came invisibly in 1914, rose as a recreated spirit creature, etc. God is solitary, unipersonal, limited in knowledge and locality, etc.
Biblical, historical, orthodox Christianity: God is tripersonal/triune, Father/Son/Holy Spirit (one God by nature with 3 personal distinctions). He is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent.
Jesus is YHWH in the flesh. He has the names, titles, attributes, worship, position, deeds of God, not creature. He rose bodily/physically from the dead. He is one person with two natures, the invisible made visible. He will yet return in the future visibly. He is uncreated Creator, not creature/angel/mere man.
Please remember the proverb: when there is no wood, the fire goes out! There are more productive things to do with our time. We are instructed by Jesus not to throw our pearls before…look it it up for yourselves!
I could give you the scriptural passage, however, a true bible student knows how to do research and find these passages for themselves.
HOW?
Out of millions who have received blood annually, only a handful die directly related to it (far more deaths with other procedures and meds that still help more than hurt). In major trauma, there is no substitute. JWs practically take most of the blood anyway given their new teachings and changes over the years. The problem is that there is no biblical or scientific reason to not take blood. WT is a far bigger killer cult (including kids sacrificed to their lies) than Jim Jones in Guyana. Your statement that many more have died than saved is beyond ridiculous. Millions are given transfusions with a relatively low complication rate. The sanctity of life and saving it trumps legalisms from a Pharisaical cult that introduced the teaching in the 1930s (what took Jehovah so long to give this light and why has it changed over and over meaning dead JWs who be alive under new light?!). Mind control is lethal.
The FDS teaching has changed over the years. The parable has nothing to do with 8 ignorant men in NY, the blind leading the blind (GB is a later invention of WT vs original popes/presidents Russell/Rutherford/Knorr/Franz, etc.)
Other false groups claim persecution and hatred when they are exposed as false. It is a cultic mentality. WT has also said it is a public service, not persecution, to point out facts about false groups (but they hypocritically do not apply it to themselves). DF is emotional manipulation/blackmail, destructive, punitive, controlling, not the biblical, redemptive discipline practiced by biblical, balanced groups (WT is high control cult).
I have never been a JW, so I am not an apostate from false JW religion (a biblical apostate is not someone who leaves a false group, but someone who leaves true Christianity). You are making an ad hominem attack and not dealing with the evidence. Salvation is in the person and work of Jesus, YHWH in the flesh, not loyalty to a manmade organization led by 8 corrupt men.
JW deaths are needless and more JW lives would have been saved than died. Globally, far more lives have been saved than those who had issues with contaminated blood in the early days of AIDS era. As a paramedic, I can assure you that WT does not have biblical or scientific support on their false view.
Thanks, Brother Mc346, for your incisive comment. Very intelligently analytical and concise. Actually, read some of these negative comments and I observe that they are nothing but apostates that we must repudiate by all means, unless they repent and come back to the narrow road to salvation that does not make room for those who want to tell Jehovah God how He should be worshipped.
I wrote the report from Nigeria
Many more have died because of blood transfusions. The Aids virus was discovered in the early eighties and killed thousands thru blood transfusions. Are we so foolish as to believe that some other deadly disease is not lurking in the blood supply that we are currently not aware of. You are sadly misinformed about witnesses.
Im so glad about reading that, it just goes to show Jehovah is inspiring the faithful and discreet slave class to warn us of these conditions to come, just as he inspired the bible writers as confirmed in 2 Tim 3:16,17 “all scripture is inspired of God, beneficial for teaching, setting things straight” If ONLY more people would take notice of Jehovah Gods Warnings given in the bible then they might escape the Great Tribulation shortly to come! Matthew 24:21,22 says “for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short” Romans 10:12 tells us “For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek. There is the same Lord over all, who is rich toward all those calling on him” BUT ADVISES IN 13 “Everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.
And all this hatred is nothing else but the fulfilment oh Bible prophecy,” You will be hated because of my name” and because your lives will condemn you ,you will not be able to deal with the people that are at least trying to do the right thing,and disfellowshipping is a blessing,even you put the wrongdoers away,look at your prisons,there is no more room,they are full,they need more of them to keep them away!
Amen!
As well, NWT is a sectarian perversion read through the eyes of WT literature/leaders. This is indoctrination into wrong beliefs and practices of WT, not sound biblical orthodoxy/orthopraxy.
You are forbidden to think independently, differ from current WT teaching, deviate in any way. The fear of Armageddon and disfellowshipping controls you (e.g. time cards for field service). The false hope of Paradise earth also keeps you in line. Shunning is emotional manipulation and blackmail. You are not free, but think you are.
Steve Hassan cult expert with BITE model of mind control identifies JW/WT as a high control destructive cult. The best Christian scholars and apologists in the world refute it as fatally false doctrine in light of Scripture. Any group can misuse Scripture like you are doing above. We can show JWs are indoctrinated and mind controlled (see BITE model). Have you read the secret elder’s manual? Why not? I have. Do you know about former Governing Body Raymond Franz and his inside expose of WT? Those deceived do not realize they are. I have perfect freedom in my religion, unlike JWs who must be loyal and obey (compliance, conformity, cognitive dissonance, lack of critical thinking) or else.
It is a biblical mandate for all of us to test, judge, discern, defend, proclaim. We do this with Scripture and the wisdom of the Holy Spirit (who is personal, not active force). Only God judges perfectly and ultimately. Jesus did not say to not judge, but to not judge falsely and hypocritically.
Of course I can admit my shortcomings. To objectively expose the destructive beliefs and practices of Mormons, JWs, Scientologists, Muslims, etc. is speaking truth in love and a moral obligation.
JWs are infamous for condemning and judging their own, other religions, unbelievers, etc. The problem is that they judge falsely and hypocritically too often.
Mr. William, I am a person with a strong character, but I’m also passive, with a great sense a humor. But one thing about me that has not changed is the fact that I cannot be controlled or manipulated. Not my parents, nor my kids and definitely no religion. Although I am a JW, I followed and obey God’s law via the Bible. There are many people like me that tries to the utmost to live by Bible standards, it has nothing to do with JW.
You really are brainwashed??? You poor thing you!!! This is from the Scriptures, not my words but God. 1Timothy 3:8,9,13. Now in the way that Jan’nes and Jam’bres opposed Moses, so these (this refers to ALL apostates) also go on opposing the truth. Such men are completely corrupted in mind, disapproved as regards the faith. Nevertheless, they will make no further progress, for their foolishness will be very plain to all, as it was with those two men. But wicked men and imposters (that’s you) will advance from bad to worse, misleading and being mislead. Again, this is God’s words not mines.
You are called to judge???? Hmm! Let me guess??? Next, you’ll proclaim that you are no other than Jesus Christ himself!!! You are NO ONE to judge! Only Jehovah God and Jesus Christ are qualified to judge! Don’t be so pathetic! At the end, we’ll see who has the true religion, whether it’s yours or JW. Unlike you, if I’m wrong, I can honestly admit MY shortcomings, can you???
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You are defending the indefensible and are grossly misinformed about this false high control group.
http://www.jwfacts.org
Apostate is a pejorative, mind control term to shut down critical thinking. Most counter-cult people were never JWs, but are concerned Christians or former-JWs who now know the truth about their former deception. Those who are deceived do not think they are. See cult expert Steven Hassan (former Moonie) BITE model of mind control/indoctrination that fully applies to JW, Scientology, Mormon, etc.
I am a concerned biblical Christian, never false JW (specifically Evangelical, Protestant, Pentecostal). Catholics have extra/contrabiblical teaching but are more right on the doctrine of God/Christology than JWs (Arian heresy). I have researched many religions for over 40 years. We are called to judge and discern, defend/proclaim truth, but not judge hypocritically or self-righteously. WT needs exposing and the facts from their own literature condemn them. You should not be condoning them and informed people who investigate objectively usually leave or never join.
The digestive system is distinct from the circulatory system. Orthodox Jews do not forbid transfusion. The sanctity of life trumps legalisms. JWs have Pharisaical misinterpretations that are unbiblical and unscientific. The teaching originated in the 1930s by one ignorant person and has changed many times over the years (supposed new light). JWs who have died or were disfellowshipped would be alive under the new rules (that essentially take most of the blood). JWs now take blood portions (so they are not abstaining) vs whole blood, but do not donate (selfish, hypocritical). JWs for blood reform has better research: http://www.ajwrb.org
Jehovah of the Watchtower is not Jehovah/YHWH/Yahweh of the Bible (same with Jesus).
I’m not going to continually debate this however I do feel compelled to make certain points for those that have an open mind and who are GENUINELY seeking God and the truth of what he deserves, and requires from mankind whom he created.
1st No perfect man has ever walked the earth except for Jesus Christ. MOST sensible people know this.
2nd The second of Corinthians 13:5 says keep testing whether you are in the faith. (Meaning research, learn, prove to yourself what you are learning and the facts are genuine.) There is nothing wrong with research but once you decipher what’s right and wrong and what’s truth, why waste time with untruth. ( I don’t want to be around garbage after I have bagged it up and put it out)
3rd Hebrews 12:11 tells us “No discipline at present seems to be joyous but it is painful, and yet after it yields peaceable fruit….”
Proverbs 3:11 “My son, do not REJECT the discipline of God (Jehovah) and do not LOATHE his reproof…For he disciplines those he loves. …”But keep making straight paths for your feet”
1 Corinthians 5:9-13. “Stop mixing in the company of those who called themselves a “brother” …Remove the wicked man from among yourselves “
This is scriptural direction from our creator who knows what is best for us. And it’s only for those who are NOT accepting discipline, but rather rejecting it and not trying to straighten the paths for their feet.
4th Matthew 24:36-Nobody knows the day or the hour but the father. This has been told and this scripture has been brought out for DECADES and I’m 53!
5th I know firsthand when someone confided about a form of abuse the family had to go to the police and report it themselves, otherwise the overseers had a scriptural and moral obligation to report it. There were no coverups and it was scriptural to keep the organization clean because of the sins of imperfect men.
6th Cult definition-“a relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.” I wouldn’t call more than 8 million small and I definitely wouldn’t call witnesses sinister. If you do further research cults are local not WORLD WIDE.
Here’s a link you might be interested in
https://technology.inquirer.net/92532/witnesses-website-beats-facebook-as-worlds-most-translated
My point. It is clear that if you are disciplined by Jehovah it is not joyous but you have 2 options. You can reject it, loath it and speak abusively of the people who are genuinely trying to serve him or you can accept it as a form of love, recognize it for what it is and commit and prove to yourself and him that you want to turn back around instead of being back around the garbage you once threw out.
I’m going to guess that you are Catholic. And from your comments, YOU didn’t do research on your own religion before judging mine. Jesus Christ said it best when he said at Matthew 7:1-5 (and I quote) “Stop judging that you may not be judged: for with the judgement YOU ARE judging, YOU WILL be judged, and with the measure that YOU ARE measuring out, they WILL measure YOU. Why, then, do YOU look at the straw in your brother’s eye but do not notice the rafter in your OWN eye? Or how can YOU say to your brother, ‘Allow me to remove the straw from your eye,’ when look! a rafter is in YOUR OWN EYE??? (Here is the catcher) Hypocrite! First remove the rafter from YOUR OWN EYE, and then YOU can see clearly how to remove the straw from your brother’s eye. This was Jesus Christ quoting, not I. I just simply pointed out to you that none of us are perfect and this includes YOU and I… We ALL make mistakes!
Mason, the ONLY person that walked the Earth who was perfect, was Jesus Christ. If you’re looking for perfection in ANY religion, you are going to be highly disappointed! Most people who look for God, were murderous, a drunkard and thieves! Do you actually believe that those who are going to co-rule in the heavens with Jesus didn’t at one time were murderous, a drunkard, thieves INCLUDING homosexual????? Before you decide to judge ANYONE religion read 1Corintians 6:9, 10 but 11 is the eye-catcher. From your unnecessary comments, I can tell you didn’t bother to research the Scriptures.
Just food for thoughts, when referring to Jehovah God, please use the correct form for God. Remember that the Bible throughout its pages, refers Satan, Baal, Marduk just to name a few, as gods (with a lowercase g) whereas Jehovah, the ONLY TRUE GOD should always be with a capital G.
Where did you get your misinformation on the subject”blood”??? You say its unbiblical, the word is Unscriptural. And you are so incorrect. Read from your own Bible these three Scriptures! Genesis 9:4; Leviticus 7:26 and Acts 15:29 and let me know what Jehovah says on the matter.
I didn’t finish reading all that you wrote, but it is clearly that you really despised us! So sad. I am one of Jehovah’s Witness and I, long before I ever decided to become JW that I would not take ANY blood. Keep in mind that, as a human race, we ALL sin many times and we are ALL imperfect. If you “still” believes in the True God (by the way, you wrote God with a lowercase “g”). Read Matthew 7:1-5
Sure JW are the true and only religion people hate for no reason…
They are not and never cultists,
They don’t shun people who leave the organization but shun people who refuse to turn around. Even at that they provide full support for them.
It’s a pity that some people for no reason hate the truth..
The changes in their believes or modifications made in their teachings are obvious sign that they are completely different from all other religions who never change their fales teachings even though they see the full convincing evidence that it is COMPLETELY WRONG.
The truth about life is this:
If you are poised to find negativity in anything you will see it… Even the life we live, the environment we live, people we meet daily, the government, and even we ourselves are full of negative things…
But we won’t because of that over look the obvious good ones around us in life.
The haters are free to hate, the accusers are free to talk, but the fact remains that, no matter what we do in life we shall always see haters for No reason.
If you don’t understand the organization and their teachings or if you suddenly grew up to hate the organization and their teachings, you just need to have a full rethink of how zealous these people are and how pure they want to keep the truth, God’s word, before unleashing the Venom from your mouth.
Till date JW remains the only organization using JEHOVAH in their name… SMH
But have you guys ever asked why.?
The God of this system of things have been doing great job by blinding people’s eyes from the truth because the prophecy must be fulfilled,
If you think it’s by chance they use JEHOVAH in their name, Google or find any denomination around you that have existed for 10 years with Jehovah written on their sign board!
They will shut down in no time… GOD IS WITH JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES and only those blinded by Satan can’t be able to see this!
Yes surprisingly I am not a witness/member, but for the sake of the truth, I am posting this. Let those with eyes see and those with eyes hear. It may be too late for people to turn in for this opportunity if they keep focusing on the negativities which are being instigated by haters or people who simply want to do everything possible to discourage the right minded ones from knowing the truth
You cannot refute these credible research sites so you resort to ad hominem attacks. WT forbids members from independent research so you will never know if you are wrong. You will be indoctrinated into a false, ever-changing system.
I am a concerned biblical Christian. Many JWs are Pharisaical or hypocritical. The things you accuse others of are in your ranks (hence all the disfellowshipping that goes on). Hundreds of millions of genuine Christians have higher standards than JWs and live up to them (not all do). The bottom line is still the false teaching you promote, not how strong or weak any given adherent to a religion is.
All these critics are fulfilling bible prophecy and sound like they scorned apostates. Thankfully Jehovah has cleansed his organization of bitter unfruitful people. Seek righteousness and meekness, Probably Jehovah may have mercy on you.2Peter3:3,4 First of all know this, that in the last days ridiculers will come with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires4and saying: “Where is this promised presence of his? Why, from the day our forefathers fell asleep in death, all things are continuing exactly as they were from creation’s beginning.”
There have been numerous high profile documentaries and court cases that expose this corrupt org. May it come down and the followers find the real Jesus.
Yes, other secular and sacred sources have also stated the generic obvious. WT literature is full of debunked stuff now (they used to say organ donation is cannablism, etc.).
Founder C.T. Russell had masonic connections, used pyramidology for setting dates of Armageddon. WT has appealed to spirit medium (former Catholic priest) Johannes Greber and his perversion to support their Jn. 1:1 a god error. This guy got the info from demons and it agrees with WT. Denying the Deity of Christ is demonic.
JW, Mormon, Islam, etc. can have positive behavioural benefits for their followers since they are adopting some Christian or biblical principles. The bad with JWs (false doctrines leading to hell, harsh shunning leading to suicides, innocent kids dying from unbiblical/unscientific blood transfusion issues, pedophilia coverups, ruined family relationships and psychological problems due to the controlling nature of WT, etc.) far exceeds the good (that they also have in common with much larger false groups). Their lack of charitable impact outside their own members in favour of standing in front of carts being deceived and deceiving is not a sign of truth. Governing Body, former presidents, etc. have a pathetic track record of false prophecies, nonsensical changing teachings, etc. Any given JW may be fine and sincere, but sincerity does not create truth. Those who objectively study the truth about ‘The Truth’ are unlikely to join or remain (millions have left).
Must be a slow news day. That prediction is about as notable as the sun rising.
Haha u false teachers are hear again.those websites are abundant on the internet.Their main aim is to stopp the preaching work which JWs are doing but for many years the organization is still growing.u poeple almost deceived me.bt u cant
Onething i hv noticed about you poeple is that.most of u are not true worshippers of God.most of u are drunkards.chain smokers,sexual addicts and fornicators.
U talk negative about jws and ignore anything positive.
For years u people hv fail to show people any true religion in the world yet i talk bad about them.God will punish u for that.
You people said jws dont hv any faith in jesus christ.but that is the biggest lair i was told from day one.God will punish u for that.
Jehovahs witnesses are never an occult group.u people are stupid liars.most of u deceived me on the internet when i was learning the bible.and i nearly stopped studying with them,something that has helped me stop abusing drugs and abusing alcohol.and has help me build a family life.onething i noticed about u people is that u never say anything positive about those people,only negative,and that is a sign of hatred and religious discrimination.when u ignore the positive side of someone and talk negative about them.God will punish u people for that.
The Awake simply pointed out what was already commented on!
Rape cover-ups by Jehovah’s Witnesses from NBC Dateline: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbKXj8R4_X8
Please be careful when speaking positively of Jehovah’s Witnesses. They are a high control cult that are permissive to pedophiles and actively protect them, as well as murderers or any other criminals in the rank and file. Please visit jwfacts.com for more information.
Jehovah’s Witnesses (JWs) predicted the end of the world, IN WRITING, numerous times. Not once did they come true. They truly are known for their ‘False Predictions’ the world over.
JWs are taught that they alone are TRUE Christians and that all other people not JW will soon be destroyed. This is no exaggeration.
JWs will allow their own children TO DIE rather than accept a life saving blood transfusion even in severe medical emergencies. It has already happened THOUSANDS of times!
Just like this mother died unnecessarily! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/shropshire/7078455.stm
Two recently in Canada! http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42002996
Or this teenager that also DIED: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/west_midlands/8690785.stm
This pregnant JW and her baby died.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3027599/Jehovah-s-Witness-baby-die-refuses-blood-transfusion-seven-months-pregnant-cancer-80-chance-surviving-treatment.html
JWs NEEDLESSLY die for this sorry blood policy today.
From the same organization that has an entire 100 + year history of similar bad and embarrasing policies.
As a 15 year active JW (and an elder) here is my own story: http://www.bibletoday.com/archive/JW_Disassociation_letter_by_Vinny.htm#.W0E7_K2ZMVc
JWs used to forbid Vaccinations and Organ Transplants (calling a life saving transplant “Cannibalism”) for a combined 33 years.
This JW elder refused a kidney transplant and DIED only to have JWs say transplants are now OK 2 years later. http://ajwrb.org/debbie-shards-story
JWs enforce extreme shunning for any JW that decides to leave their religion or who sins without showing enough repentance to the elders.
I have literally seen parents cut off all ties with their children solely because the kid did not want to remain a JW but went in another direction.
Even ex-JWs who leave the religion on their own, are 100 percent truthful, sincere, love God, pay taxes, help others and more are still SHUNNED by all current JWs and marked as godless, proud, sinning apostates. The Awake magazine recently called them “mentally diseased”.
And MANY contemplate suicide because the penalties of losing everything are TOO MUCH TO TAKE.
But an honest question is: Why do so many JWs leave after being one time followers?
As I eventually found out, the JW religion did say, IN WRITING, that the end would come in 1914 and then again in 1925. Was Jehovah directing all that? 1914 and 1925 came and went! They were proven false predictions. Period.
They also said the end very likely would happen in 1975 and even commended (in the watchtower) witnesses for selling their houses and pioneering because of it.
But 1975 came and went!
They also said (for many decades) that the end would come before the generation born in 1914 passed away. In fact up until 1995 it was written inside each Awake magazine cover. Only they then had to change that meaning as well (including the Awake masthead) because that generation CAME AND WENT TOO.
I was an active JW (and elder) for 15 years before leaving because of the blood policy 13 yrs ago. Today I’m shunned by all JWs simply because I left the religion.
Most JWs accept everything the Watchtower teaches and says as “food from God”. Just like I did.
Most believe God has chosen the Watchtower Society as his “channel”, which provides food from God Himself to their religion and ONLY their religion.
But an honest look at the facts of the JW religion shows God has not chosen the WT for anything!
Take a LOOK: https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/changed-watchtower-teachings.php
ALL FROM THEIR OWN LITERATURE WITH DATES & PAGES TO SEE FOR YOURSELVES!!!
Pages and pages of mistakes, embarrassments, false predictions, medical disasters, weird science, doctrinal failures and more for over 100 years now!
Obviously ‘GOD’ would not get things wrong like this. Obviously ‘GOD’ did not provide bad food like that for their entire history.
But most JWs have no idea about these things. They’re told to stay away from anything critical of their religion.
For example: Was God’s spirit with JWs when they said Organ Transplants were a “conscience matter” in 1961?
OR,
Was God”s spirit with WT when they THEN SAID Organ Transplants are same as “Cannibalism” in 1967 and forbid them?
OR, was God’s spirit with the WT when they THEN SAID Organ Transplants are NOT the same as cannibalism in 1980 and now allow them?
Was God behind all those changes each time? Did ((GOD)) get all those things wrong each time? How many JWs like that elder above DIED by refusing kidney transplants, only later on to be told they’re OK to have now?
Which is why some end up taking their lives due to losing their family or feel compelled to speak out about it, like me right now.
And because I walked away JWs are demanded to shun you for life (including your very own family).
Examine this religion and ask as many questions as you can!
Vinny
WT over the years has had ridiculous scientific views that were false. Their views on blood transfusion are unbiblical and unscientific and have killed 1000s. Their pedophilia coverups and lawsuits are internationally known. Their harsh shunning leads to suicides and ruined families. Their false teachings l ad people away from Christ and eternal life. Selectively quoting secular sources does not make them prescient and other groups have said similar things. The truth about ‘the truth’. http://www.jwfacts.org
The Awake didn’t predict this, they are just saying what the bible predicts. The bible just says that man is choosing to ignore the wisdom of god, so even when they think they have a problem handled it will come back to bite them in the butt.